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Scaling Duolingo, embracing failure, and insight into Latin America's tech scene

October 19, 2023

Featuring: Gina Gotthilf (Co-founder and COO, Latitud)

14 quotes · 14 insights

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Language shapes market perception

We constantly looked at every copy we wrote and asked, 'Could this have been written by other companies? Could this have been any other company or is it Duolingo? What makes this Duolingo?'
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:52:09

Information transparency maximizes human potential

Why do I know this, but not this entrepreneur who honestly is smarter and more ambitious than me? Oh, it's because I've had a career in Silicon Valley. It's because I've gotten to work with some of the best people in the world and I have access to this information just free flowing in my way all the time, and we take it for granted.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 01:05:56

Brand is how people feel, not what you say

There is always a quirk, like it's unexpected. The way we talk to you is a little bit funny. It doesn't take ourselves too seriously and it makes the person receiving this message feel something. Again, it's about how you make people feel.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:00:25

Success requires both doing and storytelling

I had one learning there that has stuck with me, and I think can work for other people too, is that it's not just about doing things that actually matter, and learning. It's about being able to tell the story, and it's about understanding what other people perceive as valuable.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:11:22

Rewrites are almost always the wrong choice

If as a startup, whether it be early stage, but as a startup you focus too much on those marginal differences between groups of people, you can run the risk of making too many changes too soon and learning very little and adding crazy amounts of code complexity and overall organizational complexity to what you're building.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 01:00:27

Curiosity beats credentials

You build this thing, you made it, and then you tried to convince people to buy it. That was it. It's no longer at all that because products are constantly in motion and evolving. Unless you're able to own that data and understand what it can tell you, you're never going to win.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:34:33

Great work doesn't speak for itself - tell the story

I had one learning there that has stuck with me, and I think can work for other people too, is that it's not just about doing things that actually matter, and learning. It's about being able to tell the story, and it's about understanding what other people perceive as valuable.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:11:22

Don't self-reject - let others say no

Fake it till you make it. I don't mean lie. I don't mean pretend to be something that you're not, but it's almost like a way to overcome imposter syndrome and by opening rooms for yourself to be who you want to become so that you enable opportunities to become that.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 01:29:39

Retention is the only metric that matters

Retention, I don't think of it in terms of like, wow, I must retain this user. It's like, is this thing valuable or not? That's what retention is to me. Either it's actually providing real value or it's not. If it's providing real value, people stick around. It's as simple as that.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:31:38

Test everything, but test the right version

I didn't let the team run this experiment for six months so that we focus on lower hanging fruit. We ran this very simple experiment that was like, 'You sign up and then you get a badge.' And of course, in retrospect, it led to no results, because no one is proud of signing up.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:38:32

Humans are more alike than we think

Humans are very similar and we think we're very different. I think that maybe we were brought up differently, and so for example, in Brazil we like to dance. In Mexico, we like to dance salsa, in some places it's okay to hug and other places it's not okay to hug. Yes, there are cultural differences and it's important to love everyone and to adapt, et cetera, but a lot of these differences when it comes to core human behavior are that final 5% of understanding people.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:59:22

Fix conversion before scaling acquisition

Even if you have a low CAC, I was just talking to an entrepreneur this morning, he was like, 'Oh, we were able to hit a 10-cent CAC.' And I'm like, 'Yeah, but that grows.' As you start targeting more people, the low hanging fruit dry out, and you end up having to pay more money.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:30:47

Messages spread when they serve the messenger

If people only read the title and the button, they got it. It can't be like, 'Wouldn't you like the next President of the United States to blah blah blah?' And then the button is like, 'apply.' It's like, apply for what? Now I have to go read the thing and I didn't get it.
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:21:58

In-person beats digital for conversion

My mandate was make Duolingo grow. Here is no budget. I had no budget. People are shocked. They're like, 'Oh, but when did you turn on the ads?' We're like, 'We just didn't.'
Gina GotthilfCo-founder and COO, Latitud 00:29:27

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