How do you actually solve the puzzle by connecting all the dots together? Just like how I see some of my friends, their kids playing Legos, if you don't really see the full picture, you won't be able to make the Lego as one thing at the end of the day. You have to see the other pieces.
Product management theater | Marty Cagan (Silicon Valley Product Group)
March 10, 2024
Featuring: Ray Cao (Global Head of Monetization Product Strategy & Operations, TikTok), Marty Cagan (Founder, Silicon Valley Product Group)
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Watch Full EpisodeStructural problems masquerade as people problems
Product management is broken - most shouldn't be PMs
"That same model" refers to the traditional feature team approach where product managers are given roadmaps rather than solving customer problems.
Most places they turn are just propagating that same model. So these certifications, which in my opinion are bogus, but most people don't know. And just imagine you're a brand new product manager. You look online probably what, 90% of the content out there is from the feature team world or worst.
Product managers: creators or facilitators?
A product manager is a creator, not a facilitator. I always cringe when somebody tells me, oh, my job is to say why? And I'm like, 'Well, what do you do for the rest of the week besides the 10 minutes it takes you to say why?'
Empowered teams own outcomes, feature teams just ship
On a feature team, you're basically given a roadmap of output. In other words, their features are projects that usually it could have come from an executive, could have come from a big pocket customer, could have come from wherever. But it's a bunch of features and literally you're being asked to design, build, test, deploy that feature.
Position before you price
It's about time to money more than time to market. We know how to do time to market. If you insist on time to market, we know how to do that. The techniques are well-known. The harder part is time to money.
Give engineers direct customer contact to build product intuition
Ray Cao is discussing TikTok's practice of taking product managers and engineers on client visits to give them direct customer exposure.
We took them out with us. We're just inviting them together to join the force together to meet the clients and a lot of the company, if you want to meet APMs, if you want to meet the engineering leaders, it's literally once a year maybe, and also if you're investing a ton with some of the platforms. For us, I think it's always on to junior PMs, senior PMs and engineering leaders. We invited them together to these immersion trips recorded to really get face time with our clients, to really feel the heat.
Viability beats feasibility in the AI era
Value means for the customer, viability means for your business. So that means it works for your business. You can sell it, market it. It's legal, you can service it. It's compliance.
Limit process to preserve innovation
Feature teams are given pre-defined requirements to build, while empowered product teams have autonomy to discover and decide what problems to solve for customers.
An empowered product team can do everything a feature team can do and more. And once in a while I do hear somebody say, why isn't it good enough to be a feature team? How do you answer that really? To me, it is like, why are you in this business? Do you really not care what your customers think about your product?
Markets have unique cultural rules
Ray Cao, a TikTok executive, is discussing how companies expanding internationally need human cultural understanding beyond just algorithmic optimization.
If we do have a ambition to go global, you have to do one more thing is actually take your step into global. Rather than having the machine do the heavy lifting, you have to really understand in local culture.
Cross-functional proximity beats process
I have never seen a company, the engineering team and the product team and the sales team are so close. That's definitely one of aha moments I had because if you're thinking about if your engineer does not really know what the market wants and if your PM doesn't really know what is actually the client's feedback, they won't be able to get a right product in the market.
You are what you measure - metrics shape outcomes
Strong product companies understand it's all about outcomes. You just don't get points for shipping, you get points for delivering the value.