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Persuasive communication and managing up | Wes Kao (Maven, altMBA, Section4)

August 28, 2022

Featuring: Wes Kao (Communication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder)

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Ask for reactions, not opinions

I think a pretty first principles driven approach for this, which is to think about how long does it take me right now to get to the reaction I'm looking for from my recipient? If it takes a bunch of back and forth and a bunch of friction, then that's my baseline. And once you start practicing some of these communication skills, how does that speed up?
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 32:34

Clarity beats cleverness

Being concise is not about absolute word count, it's about economy of words. It's about the density of the insight that you're sharing. And so you can have a 300 word memo that's meandering and long-winded and a thousand word memo that is tight and concise.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 00:18:31
I see people like basically think, 'Oh, I want to make this easier to read, more skimmable. I'm just going to throw a bunch of formatting and bullets and turn everything into bullets.' And it's not quite that easy of a solution. It can be a little bit of a crutch, it can be a little bit lazy because you are telling yourself that you're being concise when really, if you had to turn your sentence fragment into a full sentence, a lot of times it actually is harder than you think because you realize that you actually didn't really know exactly what you meant.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 30:33

Direct feedback accelerates performance

I have a framework called strategy, not self-expression. Most of the time, by the time we are giving feedback to someone, we have been frustrated for a while. The goal is behavior change. So if that's the goal, trim everything else that you were about to say that does not actually contribute to that goal and only keep the part that will make the person want to change.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 01:05:05

Preparation unlocks spontaneity

The only solution I found consistently to being concise is preparation. It's not a very glamorous solution by any means, but the clearer I am going into a meeting, going into a conversation, going into a pitch, the better I am at being concise and being able to bring the conversation back to the most important points.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 00:20:39

Managing up means bringing solutions, not problems

The biggest one is to share your point of view. When you just ask your manager, 'Hey manager, what should we do?' You're putting a lot of cognitive load on your manager to need to think about the problem, think about potential solutions, craft the solution, and then tell you what to do. Whereas if you instead said, 'Hey manager, here's what I think we should do. How does that sound? Where do you see gaps? Am I thinking in the right direction?' You give them something to build off of.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 01:00:54

Clear thinking shows up in clear writing

I think a pretty first principles driven approach for this, which is to think about how long does it take me right now to get to the reaction I'm looking for from my recipient? If it takes a bunch of back and forth and a bunch of friction, then that's my baseline. And once you start practicing some of these communication skills, how does that speed up?
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 32:34

Explicit clarity prevents wasted cycles

I think the blast radius of a poorly written memo is way bigger than most people think. If you are just shooting off a message in a Slack channel with 15 other people, and it's confusing, you didn't include information you should have included, there's going to be a bunch of back and forth. Whereas if you had just taken another look at it, those 15 people would be off to the races.
Wes KaoCommunication Expert, Maven Co-Founder, altMBA Co-Founder 00:00:35

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