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Featuring: Merci Grace (Founder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack), Ami Vora (Chief Product Officer, Faire)

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Product-led growth still needs sales

Whether you thought about it consciously or not, you have already decided whether it is going to be product-led or sales-led. If it is the type of a solution that you need buy-in from the head of HR to use because you need to integrate with systems that have a lot of PII in them and no IC has the keys to that system at any size of a company, boom, you know have a sales-led motion.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 35:56
If you have a product that even if it's for a specific function but anyone at any seniority level in that function could pick it up to use it, so DevTools are probably the most successful product-led growth companies that we don't talk about being product-led, but that's totally how they grow.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 36:32

"Product-led in one direction" refers to acquiring users through the product itself, while "product-led back out" refers to users leaving or churning through product experience alone.

The other one that I don't hear people talk about very often is whether there's really day zero value in the tool. That is not something that is valuable if they've been using it for months. It is not something that can be product-led because there's product-led in one direction, there's product-led back out in that same direction.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 40:23

Design onboarding to deliver immediate value, not explain features

I really like something that is not pasted on top of the experience but something that uses the product to teach someone else how to use the product.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 29:25

Your first pitch needs work - use rejection as feedback

Every pitch should start in the middle of the action, like a thriller or like a drama, like Mission Impossible movies always start with Tom cruise doing some crazy shit in the middle of the job right before the job that the actual movie is about because it gets your attention.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 07:25
If you are going to say that you're the only founder that could start this company, or you have this really unique insight, start there. Even though it feels like you haven't built up to it yet, or anything like that, you don't have to, you'll backfill all of that later.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 08:21

Execution beats strategy every time

Execution eats strategy for breakfast... customers don't care about your fancy strategies and your five-year plan. They care about the product that's in their hands.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 37:58
When you have great strategy, perfect strategy but poor execution, you don't win because your strategy never makes it to the market. And what's even worse is that you have learned nothing.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 39:03

Your first users will show you the real product

There is nothing broken about a 35 message one-on-one email conversation. It's totally fine. It's a series of letters back and forth. As soon as you add one more person to that, it gets a lot messier.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 20:02

Positioning shapes everything downstream

One of the best things, honestly, that the early founding team at Slack did and were able to give to those of us who followed them was the understanding that this is a tool for work. And that made thousands of small decisions instant and obvious.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 09:44

Career success starts with self-knowledge

Don't dampen who you are and your strengths, just continue expanding. Whenever you run into a problem, just add more to the things that you can do, the tools that you have, the way you can express yourself.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 00:55:23

Freemium vs trials: Choose your religion

The truth is for every week that you continue to let people use it, you get incrementally more people who do convert because their timing on buying your product has nothing to do with your schedule or how quickly you want revenue and everything to do with, where in the quarter is it for them?
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 25:15

Work samples beat interviews for assessing talent

I always make people do work. I think we've gone back and forth on Twitter about this. And it's funny, it's definitely something that it's just in the last, I don't know, five or six years, I feel like people are really pushing back on doing what they I think unfairly characterize as free work for a company.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 46:58

Strategy is solving specific problems, not setting ambitious goals

For strategy to be useful, it actually has to change our behavior as a team to create better customer outcomes.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 00:43:54

Start with vision and conviction, not customer validation

For me, the hill climb is all about the difference between a local optimum and a global optimum... the thing that gets me through the valley is remembering what the summit feels like.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 00:00:38

Ship to learn, not to be right

When you have great strategy, perfect strategy but poor execution, you don't win because your strategy never makes it to the market. And what's even worse is that you have learned nothing.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 39:03

Great products speak for themselves

My manager owns context, I own the recommendation.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 00:19:38

Three screens or less for mandatory onboarding

You have to understand that people have really limited attention and no one cares about your product the way that you do. And so it can feel like you're dumbing it down or oversimplifying. And if you don't feel that way about your onboarding, about the growth work that you're doing, it's probably too complex.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 32:58
If you can think about even an online product that you're working on from that first introduction, 'What will it be like for someone to come in here? What will I be asking them to integrate with? Will I be asking them to upload something, to invite someone else? What are the steps between the user and the full value of your app?' is something that's very useful to think about literally from the first days that you're designing the product.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 26:49
Unfortunately, many people think about onboarding at the last minute and it ends up being the final piece of product work, or, and this may be a little bit controversial of an opinion, but I'm not a fan of the plug and play frameworks for onboarding for that reason.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 27:46

Name and celebrate individual superpowers

If we all agree that the feeling of something should be, I'm sitting in Dolores Park with my friends on a sunny Saturday, then people will just naturally build something that feels more consistent.
Ami VoraChief Product Officer, Faire 00:00:27

Hire when it hurts, not when you can

The point at which you should start to hire someone else to do that is when you, as the founder, absolutely cannot meet the demand even though you're getting up really early and staying up really late and building your investing deck on the weekend instead so you can continue to meet with customers.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 42:29

"That" refers to hiring salespeople. Grace is discussing two scenarios when startups should hire sales staff.

The other time to do that, apart from just being maxed out, is when you are moving in to and usually up to a customer that both wants and expects to meet with a salesperson.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 43:01
It is time to start working on growth when you feel like you have product market fit. It doesn't have to be totally perfect because you absolutely use a growth team to really accelerate and improve your product market fit.
Merci GraceFounder/CEO, ex-Head of Growth at Slack 51:13

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